Wednesday, April 29, 2015

2014 Topps Five Star Football Redemption List

Below are players who have redemptions in 2014 Topps Five Star Football.  I will try to keep this list as up to date as possible.

Redemptions for this product expire on February 28, 2018.
  1. Aaron Rodgers
  2. Brandon Marshall
  3. Clay Mathews
  4. Dri Archer
  5. Jadaveon Clowney
  6. Jeremy Maclin
  7. Julio Jones
  8. Marquise Lee
  9. Marshawn Lynch
  10. Matthew Stafford
  11. Pierre Garcon
  12. Rashad Jennings
  13. Ryan Mathews
  14. T.Y. Hilton

If you purchase this product after February 28, 2018, you run the risk of hitting an expired redemption.  By knowing who has a redemption in the product, consumers may evaluate whether they can tolerate the risk of hitting an expired redemption for one of those players.  For example, hitting an expired redemption for Pierre Garcon would not suck as much as hitting an expired redemption for Julio Jones, Matthew Stafford, or Marshawn Lynch.

On the other hand, if all the players who have redemptions in the product suck (they don't but let's just pretend they do) and all the good players have autograph cards which are live in the product, then there is little risk for buying products with expired redemptions.

Tuesday, April 28, 2015

2015 Upper Deck Football Rack Pack Break

I picked up a rack pack of 2015 Upper Deck Football while shopping.


The rack packs come with two special rookie inserts for Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota.  These are actually pretty nice looking insert cards.

The most notable base rookie cards I got were Marcus Mariota and Leonard Williams.  Other than that this rack pack wasn't that great.

Sunday, April 26, 2015

Panini's 2014 National Treasures Football Collation Debacle

If you're a football card collector who likes high end cards, then by now you are aware of Panini's debacle with 2014 National Treasures Football.  And in case you aren't aware of it then I'll summarize the situation right now: a whole week after 2014 National Treasures Football was released there were still no Odell Beckham Jr. and Teddy Bridgewater RPAs, or booklets.

This incident spawned a huge discussion on the Blowout Cards forums.

Everyone agreed that it was extremely unusual that no Odell Beckham Jr. and Teddy Bridgewater RPA or booklet redemptions had been hit even after a whole week since the product's launch.  Between all the cases being broken all across the nation in hobby shops, and in online breaks, by now at last a couple of each should have surfaced.

The conspiracy theorists believed that Panini purposely withheld those cards -- arguably the two biggest cards of the two biggest players in the 2014 rookie class -- to drive up sales not only in successive shipment waves of the National Treasures product, but also in other Panini products like Spectrum Football.

Other people who were less willing to immediately jump to the conclusion that Panini was up to no good believed that this could be an honest collation mistake or error.

I gave my two cents in the thread and noted how the chances of NOT seeing an Odell Beckham Jr. or Teddy Bridgewater RPA or booklet redemption was practically impossible if we assumed that 500 cases of National Treasures had been broken within a week.

Below is my full comment.


There are 150,552 cards in the set. There are supposed to be 8 cards per box but most boxes have 10 or 11. Let's just choose 11. (The higher number actually works in Panini's favor.) Divide 150,552 by 11, and that means there are 13,686 boxes in the entire production.  
There are 312 total OBJ and Teddy RPAs 
Let's assume that none of the OBJs and Teddy RPAs will ever appear in the same box. Divide 312 OBJ/Teddy boxes by 13,686 total boxes, and that means there is a .0228 chance of hitting one of those cards in the very first box of NT opened.  
Alternatively, there is a .9772 chance of NOT hitting one of those cards in the very first box of NT opened. Expressed as a fraction that's (13,686-312)/13,686 or 13,374/13,686.
As each box of NT is opened and a OBJ/Teddy isn't hit, then the probability of hitting one of those cards goes up ever so slightly.  
Similarly, as each box is opened and one isn't hit, the probability of not hitting one in the next box goes down. Number-wise, it looks something like this... 
(13,374/13,686) x (13,373/13,685) x (13,372/13,684) x etc. as each box is opened. 
Now, let's assume that 500 cases have been broken by now which is probably a reasonable assumption. There are 4 boxes per case. So that's 2000 boxes opened. (2000 boxes would also represent around 15% of the production run) We need to do that above equation 2000 times. 
What's the probability of opening 2000 boxes of NT and not hitting a OBJ or Teddy RPA?  
Expressed as an equation it looks something like this: 
(13,374! / 11,374!) / (13,686! / 11,686!) 
None of the scientific calculators I could find could hand this calculation because the numbers are too big, but it should be pretty close to zero and I think we can show that another way. 
When figuring out a probability and a past event influences a future event, it's called conditional probability. Our situation is conditional since once a card is pulled, it is removed from the available pool and not replaced.  
But because our numbers are so big, we can actually treat this as the opposite of conditional probability (unconditional probability?).  
As we found out earlier, the chances of a OBJ/Teddy RPA NOT being pulled from the very first box of NT is (13,686-312)/13,686 or .9772. Even if 2000 boxes were opened and a OBJ/Teddy RPA still hadn't been hit, then the probability of NOT hitting one in the next box opened would be (13,686-2,000-312)/(13,686-2,000) or (11,374/11,686) or .9733. 
.9733 isn't too different from .9772, so we can treat this entire calculation as unconditional probability (probability with replacement).  
So, if the probability of NOT hitting a OBJ/Teddy RPA is .9772, and 2000 boxes have been opened, then the probability of that happening is... 
.9772^2000 which is 9.27^-21 or basically zero.  
Even if we used a lower probability like .9733 and 2000 boxes were opened, then the probability is still 3.11^-24 or basically zero. 
For comparison, even with a probability of .9733 and only 200 boxes being opened (50 cases), the probability of still not hitting a OBJ/Teddy RPA would be .00446 or about 0.446% chance of happening.   


In short, if we assume that 500 cases of National Treasures have been broken (2000 boxes) within a week of the product's release, then the chances of NOT hitting an Odell Beckham Jr. or Teddy Bridewater RPA (just RPAs and not booklet redemptions) is practically zero, or about 0.00000000000000000002116%.

What does this all mean?

It means that without a doubt the Odell Beckham Jr. and Teddy Bridgewater RPAs were NOT randomly distributed throughout the 2014 National Treasures production run.  This is a fact.  The above math, if accurate, and I think it is, proves that it is about as close to statistically impossible for this to happen by random chance.

If Odell Beckham Jr. and Teddy Bridgewater RPAs were randomly distributed throughout the 2014 National Treasures production run, then statistically, collectors should have seen a handful of them pop up already whether it be on eBay or online box breaks.  Clearly, something went wrong when National Treasures was packed out.

Now, whether this was an intentional act by Panini or a mere innocent collation error we don't know.  Panini haters are quick to assume it was an intentional act by Panini, but I could see this being a simple innocent collation error too.  Don't get me wrong, I am not completely dismissing the idea that Panini did something intentional, but I think without any evidence proving their guilt that the most we can say happened is that there was a horrible collation error.

My guess is that Panini was still waiting on those cards to come back signed, but in the mean time they started the packout process believing that they'd get the cards back in time before the packout process was complete.  But while the packout process was still in progress, they realized they wouldn't get those cards back in time before packout was complete so they needed to insert redemptions for those cards.  They began inserting redemptions into the production run at that point in time, but by that time the first wave of cases had already been packed, sealed, and prepared for shipping to distributors -- all without any Odell Beckham Jr. and Teddy Bridgewater RPAs in them.  Panini then completes the packout process.  From their point of view, the RPA redemption cards have all been packed out and they've done nothing wrong.  But in reality, because the RPA redemption cards were inserted into the production run mid-packout, the boxes which had already been packed out and sealed had none of those cards.  Meaning collectors who bought those initial cases had ZERO chance of hitting an Odell Beckham Jr. or Teddy Bridgewater RPA.

Is there a moral to this story?  If any, I suppose it's that pre-ordering a product is a gamble.  Who knows what production issues it might contain.  Topps has had its share of problems too.  Most recently its 2015 Topps Tribute Baseball release was recalled due to a large portion of the autograph cards being smeared.  Also, Topps' 2013 Five Star Football release was plagued by many of the cards suffering from ink stains on their edges from the cardboard boxes that they came in.  (See my blog post on that issue here.)  Had a consumer waited until after the release of the product then they could have avoided these problems.

Topps seems to have a little more trust in the collecting community than Panini.  It may not be a lot, but it's there.  Panini on the other hand has proven themselves very adept at losing consumer confidence by using questionable patches in their products, putting the wrong patches on cards for players, putting questionable player autograph stickers in their products, and now having major collation issues with their products.  Since Panini will now have the exclusive NFL license for football cards starting this year, I want to like them.  I'm trying to like them.  But they sure are making it difficult.  Clearly they have a lot of room for improvement, and it would be nice to see them make some improvements.

Friday, April 10, 2015

2014 Panini National Treasures and Topps Five Star Football Redemption Shelf Life

In case you haven't noticed, I've been keeping a log of all the redemption expiration dates for football products.  I made that page so people buying older product will know whether the redemptions are expired or not.

One thing I've noticed is that 2014 Panini National Treasures Football has a very short redemption shelf life.  National Treasures went live on April 8, 2015.  The National Treasures redemptions expire on October 08, 2016.

That's a shelf life of only 550 days!

The concern about Panini's redemptions expiring so quickly is moot, however, since Panini will honor expired redemptions.  (Although, at some point in the future they may change their policy.)

Since Topps does not honor expired redemptions there is more concern when buying their products.  2014 Topps Football also went live on April 8, 2015.  The Five Star redemptions expire on February 28, 2018.

That's a shelf life of 1058 days!

Topps gives you almost three years to buy their product without having to worry about hitting a redemption that is expired.  After the redemption expiration date passes, buying a product that is known to have redemptions in it now becomes extremely risky -- especially if the redemptions are of top players.  Wouldn't it be horrible if you hit a redemption of the top QB in the league only to find out the redemption is expired and the card company won't honor it?

Bottom line, when buying older products you should always determine beforehand whether it contains redemptions, and when those redemptions expire!

Monday, April 6, 2015

2014 Topps Platinum Football Box Break

Here's the box of 2014 Topps Platinum Football that I bought at that card show a few weeks ago.


Got a couple of nice rookie QBs.


And rookie cards for Odell Beckham Jr. too.


The two base card autographs were of two defensive studs.


And the RPA was of Cody Latimer.  I got really lucky and hit a pulsar refractor variation.

This is a really nice product, and provides a lot of bang for your buck.  I bought this box for $50.  Blowout Cards is selling them for about $55 so I got a good price on it.  Inside each box are three autographs, so you're paying about $18.33 per hit, with a decent shot at hitting something really big like a superfractor.  I would definitely buy another box of this product at the $50 to $55 price range.